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Indian history was first written by Germans
Since S will not be first alphabet in German words, hence sindhustan became Hindustan.
Hindu – all faiths that had originated from Hindustan are called Hindu
Siddhanta does neither negate nor is contrary to science, but it runs parallel and also transcends the barriers of science.
Science can deal with phenomenon or matter.
- that which is apprehended by the senses
- Possesses characteristics susceptible to precise measurements like force, mass, radiation & energy
Those which does not fall into the above two categories, scientists cannot enter. They accept it as their limitations.
Saiva Siddhantam is not a blind belief.
Scholarly definition and layman’s definition are different.
One should know the scholarly definitions to be able to enter Saiva Siddhantam
Logical question: Are there any matter/phenomenon which cannot & do not fall within the definition of science?
- Science does not refute but says that it’s not our domain
- When same question is asked to saints, Saiva Siddhantam replies that yes there are six categories that science cannot approach (tiruvarutpayan 52)
- Not only God, but there are also six entities which cannot/do not fall within purview of science
- Aegan
- Anegan
- Irul
- Kanmam
- Maya 2 types
- Suddha
- Asuddha
- Not only God, but there are also six entities which cannot/do not fall within purview of science
The subtlety with Saiva Siddhanta is that one cannot directly understand its definitions though it is in tamizh.
What does Saiva Siddhantam mean when it says God? Or who is God ?
- Aegan – God
- Anegan – aggregate of souls
- Irul (Sakaja mala Sanskrit) – sivagnanabotham sutra 4: not darkness but night
- Rajinikanth – Rajini (night) kanth (lover)
- Simran – one who meditates
- Meaning of ananvam: a connate that atomises the ubiquitous nature of the souls. It is not ego because ego/egoism is only a character and does not mean a person or entity. Without a thing, a character will not arise. Anava is an entity.
- Connate: the capillary membrane develops into cataract hence it already existed. The capillary membrane and eye are co-existing. Hence connate means co existing. Soul itself is ubiquitous meaning soul is not confined to the body.
- If we say soul is existing within the body, then where does it exist? The burden of proof now is upon you.
- Anavam is one which gives you the feeling that the soul is confined to the body
- Kanmam – entity by which God endows body to the souls
- & 6. Suddha maya / asuddha maya: locus for the sound potential and sound kinetic
When you clap hands, where did the sound come from? If it came from hand, then where in the hand did it come from? Hence sound did not come from hand but from akash. The reason for activating the sound is the hand but the sound potential/sound kinetic comes from akash
The earth spins on its own axis. Though scientists have not seen the axis, can the axis be removed from the definition of science ?
A point is a circle which has no circumference as per mathematics.
A straight line has certain length but no breadth.
No one can draw a point or a line without going against the above definitions, but can one remove those definitions from science? Science itself is in limbo on these aspects.
Do not keep the body for more than 24 hours. Do not embalm the body.
Satguru Sivayasubramuniya Swami, Kauai Aadheenam
Is there life? Is there God? Etc., those who say nothing exists is called Alagai. – tirukural
That which says no to everything, that which acts cannot be a non-entity. Hence its Aanma which says or acts.
Meikandar
- The 6 entities are eternal – Tamizh Tiru Gnana Sambandar
- They are not the by-product of something else (Anadi- no beginning)
- No primordial matrix from which they emanated
Arul Thalaivan – Kadavul
A professor introduced to Mahavidwan Meenakshi Sundaram Pillai, a student who said he had learnt kamba ramayanam, silapadikkaram
MMSP: which is your favourite amongst the literature you have learnt ?
Student: kamba ramayanam
MMSP: your favourite padal in it? Read it and tell me, which is ezhuvai, paynilai, seyal padum porul in it.
Student did not know.
MMSP : get up (ezhuvai), no use(paynilai), we both have no purpose discussing anything (a pun on the three tamizh words)
Mahavidwan meenakshi sundaram pillai (a story): it was considered great to have studied under mahavidwan.
- Ezhuvai: pasu
Whereas other religions have lots of difference with science, Saiva Siddantam does not. But Saiva Siddantam also mentions that science has its limitations.
Also, science does not deal with soul or God since its beyond their perimeter. But we cannot refute those because science cannot deal or explain it.
These 6 entities since they have an effect on the aanma, then we have to explain it. We can leave it if those 6 entities don’t have any effect.
- All things cannot be answered by science
- Science can maybe answer the how, but it can never answer the why.
The planets are going about in their orbits due to gravitation and repulsion. These answers the how. But the next question is why did gravitation come by? Science cannot answer that.
Saiva siddantam answers the “why” even though you are not convinced. Read it even though you are not convinced or disagree. My humble request is to read what our ancients and sages have expounded for our benefits. Don’t use society as a benchmark to throw away the ancient knowledge. Read it then later agree or disagree but read it.
Tiru Tuticorin Shanmugavel Ayya
You are not even able to correct your own wife, husband, children, or family so why are you venturing to change the society and others?
If you say that will come to Saivam only when society is reformed, then you are actually cheating yourself and you’ll never come.
The body is important. Mind is more important than the body. The aanma is more important than the mind and the body.
The aanma is eternal. This is the core message of Bhagavad Gita. It explains how Krishna explains to Arjuna that he is acting according to dharma and is not crossing the limits of worldly dharma.
All faiths that originated in India have this core concept that aanma is eternal, except buddhism and jainism.
Buddhism says that when the soul dies, that is gnana.
Whether God has created the Soul? The question of creation does not arise at all is the logical answer as far as Saiva Siddhanta is concerned.
If science has approached soul, then there should be a scientific law or at least a theory. Is there any law or theory in science about the soul?
The world classifies religion into Semitic and non-semitic. Or abrahamic or pagan.
The soul is eternal. when a man or animal dies, the soul takes another birth. Pythagoras was the first person to say this in the west. Metempsychosis: a word coined in Greek philosophy on the basis of Pythagoras statement.
The western philosophy, Bertrand Russell (philosopher and scientist)
The panchangam says correctly when a next eclipse will occur. It was written after consultation with NASA. (Jokingly)
People will not believe what Appar and Sambandhar says but will accept if a white man says. Especially in TN, where this disease has spread even among kids. What the nayanmars and other Saivaite saints have revealed is The Truth.
8000 jaina monks came to debate with Tiru Gnana Sambandhar. Queen Mangaikarasiyar holds a fear in her heart as what would happen if this child lost.
Then Sambandhar sings « maanin ner veli maadar aai ». The deer rolls its eyes to make sure it’s not hunted. He says the queen’s eyes is similar to that of a deer and that you need not have mercy upon me. You think I’m going to debate with these 8000 jainas. It’s actually Madurai Aalavai Chokkan(Siva) who is going to debate and not me. Also, I know the violence that these jaina monks have done. Also, I know that they have guerrilla soldiers in the 8 hills.